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	<title>Kommentare zu: Reife Leistung</title>
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		<title>Von: Lexikaliker</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11961</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexikaliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that the counterfeiters just want to benefit from the Noris' popularity, maybe also with better sales for the rest of their products in mind. – The price of the Noris is great. Some German retailers offer that pencil for about 30 Eurocent, and that's a real snip. By the way: I have recently bought some older Noris 120, with the larger diameter, the lettering in capitals and without bar code and EAN (definitely my favourite variant). I assume that they are about 20 years old, and when comparing the lead of that older Noris with the one of the current variant I was surprised. I have heard that the lead has been improved but I haven't expected the newer to be so much better – it is a world of difference.

Thank you for sharing your Noris experience! (Of course I have used that pencil in school too.) It is interesting to hear that the Noris has been the standard pencil for schools in the UK – I have a UK-made Noris with the imprint "Noris School Pencil".

The wood is also treated with waxes and other substances so that it can be cut easier (I assume this is the most important reason for treatment). I have heard that the wood is impregnated in pressure vessels but I can't even provide bitty knowledge.

Regarding the 9000: You're welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that the counterfeiters just want to benefit from the Noris&#8217; popularity, maybe also with better sales for the rest of their products in mind. – The price of the Noris is great. Some German retailers offer that pencil for about 30 Eurocent, and that&#8217;s a real snip. By the way: I have recently bought some older Noris 120, with the larger diameter, the lettering in capitals and without bar code and EAN (definitely my favourite variant). I assume that they are about 20 years old, and when comparing the lead of that older Noris with the one of the current variant I was surprised. I have heard that the lead has been improved but I haven&#8217;t expected the newer to be so much better – it is a world of difference.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your Noris experience! (Of course I have used that pencil in school too.) It is interesting to hear that the Noris has been the standard pencil for schools in the UK – I have a UK-made Noris with the imprint &#8222;Noris School Pencil&#8221;.</p>
<p>The wood is also treated with waxes and other substances so that it can be cut easier (I assume this is the most important reason for treatment). I have heard that the wood is impregnated in pressure vessels but I can&#8217;t even provide bitty knowledge.</p>
<p>Regarding the 9000: You&#8217;re welcome!</p>
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		<title>Von: Koralatov</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11959</link>
		<dc:creator>Koralatov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11959</guid>
		<description>I’ve never seen a counterfeit Noris, or even any blatant knock-offs, but it seems like a slightly pointless endeavour considering its relatively low price.  I was always slightly amazed that noöne thought to produce counterfeit Everhard–Faber Blackwings though — at $25/pencil &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; would seem to justify the effort.

The Noris is “the” pencil that comes to mind when I think about learning to write and primary school in general.  They were (maybe still are?) the standard pencil for school use in the UK.  Right up until she retired from teaching recently my mother would only buy Noris pencils and Rasoplast erasers for her class.  (Around age eight I defected over to Bic Matic mechanical pencils.)

Identifying the wood used is a difficult one, because the Tradition uses cedar and I believe the Noris uses… something else, but they both look the same most of the time (sometimes the Tradition has darker wood).  I hadn’t really considered that the wood could be dyed or scented to make it more pleasing, but it makes sense.  I’ve tried several no-name pencils in the office that were definitely not made of cedar or anything close to it — they were either very pale and hard or pinkish-red and smelled “soapy”.  I can’t even hazard a guess as to what they were.

I’d be thrilled to try a 9000.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve never seen a counterfeit Noris, or even any blatant knock-offs, but it seems like a slightly pointless endeavour considering its relatively low price.  I was always slightly amazed that noöne thought to produce counterfeit Everhard–Faber Blackwings though — at $25/pencil <em>that</em> would seem to justify the effort.</p>
<p>The Noris is “the” pencil that comes to mind when I think about learning to write and primary school in general.  They were (maybe still are?) the standard pencil for school use in the UK.  Right up until she retired from teaching recently my mother would only buy Noris pencils and Rasoplast erasers for her class.  (Around age eight I defected over to Bic Matic mechanical pencils.)</p>
<p>Identifying the wood used is a difficult one, because the Tradition uses cedar and I believe the Noris uses… something else, but they both look the same most of the time (sometimes the Tradition has darker wood).  I hadn’t really considered that the wood could be dyed or scented to make it more pleasing, but it makes sense.  I’ve tried several no-name pencils in the office that were definitely not made of cedar or anything close to it — they were either very pale and hard or pinkish-red and smelled “soapy”.  I can’t even hazard a guess as to what they were.</p>
<p>I’d be thrilled to try a 9000.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Von: Lexikaliker</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11935</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexikaliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11935</guid>
		<description>I haven't disassembled a 8900 yet but to me it looks like they have a plastic cap glued on. – Yes, Staedtler's way also appeals to me, especially with their Noris 120 – the yellow-black-white-red HB, introduced in 1963, is a design classic. By the way, I was lucky to see about 40 counterfeited Noris 120 but none of these had that cap with the wavy corner.

I don't know which wood Mitsubishi has used for my 8900, and when it comes to identify wood properly, I am totally lost. It's just too difficult to me, especially in view of all the possibilities to treat wood with dye, aroma, waxes etc.

Regarding the 9000: I will be happy to add a few to your package!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t disassembled a 8900 yet but to me it looks like they have a plastic cap glued on. – Yes, Staedtler&#8217;s way also appeals to me, especially with their Noris 120 – the yellow-black-white-red HB, introduced in 1963, is a design classic. By the way, I was lucky to see about 40 counterfeited Noris 120 but none of these had that cap with the wavy corner.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know which wood Mitsubishi has used for my 8900, and when it comes to identify wood properly, I am totally lost. It&#8217;s just too difficult to me, especially in view of all the possibilities to treat wood with dye, aroma, waxes etc.</p>
<p>Regarding the 9000: I will be happy to add a few to your package!</p>
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		<title>Von: Koralatov</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11906</link>
		<dc:creator>Koralatov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11906</guid>
		<description>Is the cap painted, or is it a plastic cap glued on top?  From the photos above it appears that it may be a plastic one.  When it comes to painted cap pencils, I think Staedtler are the only ones who have really managed to do it in a way that I like.  The Mitsubishi Hi-Uni and Tombow Mono 100’s plastic caps are very well done as well.

The 9800s I have are barcoded stock (I had to check to be sure), and they’re definitely a little bit thicker than a Faber–Castell or Staedtler, so I find them more enjoyable to hold.  They just feel more substantial.  The wood mine are made from is more reddish than the wood in your photos, and smells different, so I don’t think the ones I have are cedar.  Perhaps they switched to another wood in later production runs?

I’ve never come across the Mitsubishi 9000, but googling them found me a source, PencilMeIn.jp, which appears almost identical to Pencils.jp (perhaps another storefront for Bundoki?).  Strangely, they have different stock than both Bundoki and Pencils.jp, so they may actually be a different company.  I’ll have to place an order some time, and get a few of the varieties I haven’t previously tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the cap painted, or is it a plastic cap glued on top?  From the photos above it appears that it may be a plastic one.  When it comes to painted cap pencils, I think Staedtler are the only ones who have really managed to do it in a way that I like.  The Mitsubishi Hi-Uni and Tombow Mono 100’s plastic caps are very well done as well.</p>
<p>The 9800s I have are barcoded stock (I had to check to be sure), and they’re definitely a little bit thicker than a Faber–Castell or Staedtler, so I find them more enjoyable to hold.  They just feel more substantial.  The wood mine are made from is more reddish than the wood in your photos, and smells different, so I don’t think the ones I have are cedar.  Perhaps they switched to another wood in later production runs?</p>
<p>I’ve never come across the Mitsubishi 9000, but googling them found me a source, PencilMeIn.jp, which appears almost identical to Pencils.jp (perhaps another storefront for Bundoki?).  Strangely, they have different stock than both Bundoki and Pencils.jp, so they may actually be a different company.  I’ll have to place an order some time, and get a few of the varieties I haven’t previously tried.</p>
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		<title>Von: Lexikaliker</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11830</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexikaliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 05:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11830</guid>
		<description>You're right – the cap looks indeed a little odd. However, it is an interesting design element that one doesn't see very often.

I wonder if the newer ones with the bar code have a slightly thicker diameter too. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitusbishi – like many other manufacturers – have decided to cut ten pencils from a sandwich instead of nine (as far as I know this is the common reason for the smaller diameter).

Have you tried the Mitsubishi 9000? Very good lead, great design, thicker barrel, no bar code :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right – the cap looks indeed a little odd. However, it is an interesting design element that one doesn&#8217;t see very often.</p>
<p>I wonder if the newer ones with the bar code have a slightly thicker diameter too. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Mitusbishi – like many other manufacturers – have decided to cut ten pencils from a sandwich instead of nine (as far as I know this is the common reason for the smaller diameter).</p>
<p>Have you tried the Mitsubishi 9000? Very good lead, great design, thicker barrel, no bar code :-)</p>
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		<title>Von: Koralatov</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-11821</link>
		<dc:creator>Koralatov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dozen (HB) I bought a year or two back from Pencils.jp also had unfinished end-caps.  I think I actually prefer them unfinished — the black looks a little odd with the green body.  These are lovely pencils, and I especially like that they have a slightly thicker diameter than modern European and American pencils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dozen (HB) I bought a year or two back from Pencils.jp also had unfinished end-caps.  I think I actually prefer them unfinished — the black looks a little odd with the green body.  These are lovely pencils, and I especially like that they have a slightly thicker diameter than modern European and American pencils.</p>
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		<title>Von: Lexikaliker</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-4175</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexikaliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-4175</guid>
		<description>Robert M., thank you for your comment and the details from Taiwan. I wouldn't be surprised if there were different variants of the same pencil depending on the target market.

You're right, the leading quote mark is typographically incorrect – I have overlooked that detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert M., thank you for your comment and the details from Taiwan. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there were different variants of the same pencil depending on the target market.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, the leading quote mark is typographically incorrect – I have overlooked that detail.</p>
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		<title>Von: Robert M.</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-4169</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  We have a lot of Mitsubishi 9800 in Taiwan, but they do not have the finished and printed butt caps like on yours here--they're simply cut off and left unfinished.  It's possible that Taiwan has mostly old-stock though.

The 9800 is a very nice pencil on the cheap, and the quality of finish, even with the unfinished butt-end, is very good for such an inexpensive pencil.  There are numerous knockoffs of it here in Taiwan by companies like Liberty, but they always lack the quality finishing that goes into the Mitsubishi.

The only real complaint I have of the design and typography is that the quote marks in "Mitsu-Bishi" are both end quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  We have a lot of Mitsubishi 9800 in Taiwan, but they do not have the finished and printed butt caps like on yours here&#8211;they&#8217;re simply cut off and left unfinished.  It&#8217;s possible that Taiwan has mostly old-stock though.</p>
<p>The 9800 is a very nice pencil on the cheap, and the quality of finish, even with the unfinished butt-end, is very good for such an inexpensive pencil.  There are numerous knockoffs of it here in Taiwan by companies like Liberty, but they always lack the quality finishing that goes into the Mitsubishi.</p>
<p>The only real complaint I have of the design and typography is that the quote marks in &#8222;Mitsu-Bishi&#8221; are both end quotes.</p>
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		<title>Von: Lexikaliker</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexikaliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-1218</guid>
		<description>Nun, der Hinweis "Matured Micro Graphite Lead" auf der Packung lässt mich annehmen, dass sich "Matured" nicht auf das Holz, sondern auf den Graphit bezieht. Vielleicht will man damit sagen, dass es sich beim verwendeten um "echten", alten und nicht etwa um synthetisch hergestellten Graphit handelt (aber das ist reine Spekulation).

Apropos Zaunlatten: Laut &lt;a href="http://www.tnhistoryforkids.org/places/musgrave_pencil" rel="nofollow"&gt;dieser Quelle&lt;/a&gt; (die Du ja schon kennst) hat Musgrave in den frühen Jahren Zaunpfahle aus Zedernholz für die Produktion von Bleistiften wiederverwertet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nun, der Hinweis &#8222;Matured Micro Graphite Lead&#8221; auf der Packung lässt mich annehmen, dass sich &#8222;Matured&#8221; nicht auf das Holz, sondern auf den Graphit bezieht. Vielleicht will man damit sagen, dass es sich beim verwendeten um &#8222;echten&#8221;, alten und nicht etwa um synthetisch hergestellten Graphit handelt (aber das ist reine Spekulation).</p>
<p>Apropos Zaunlatten: Laut <a href="http://www.tnhistoryforkids.org/places/musgrave_pencil">dieser Quelle</a> (die Du ja schon kennst) hat Musgrave in den frühen Jahren Zaunpfahle aus Zedernholz für die Produktion von Bleistiften wiederverwertet.</p>
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		<title>Von: Pencil Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>Pencil Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lexikaliker.de/2009/06/reife-leistung/#comment-1215</guid>
		<description>Eventuell soll das "Matured" speziell darauf hinweisen, das eben "matured wood" verarbeitet wurde, und nicht "scrap wood", "waste wood", "juvenile wood" oder Zaunslatten.  :-)
Wahrscheinlich war es früher bei Erstherstellung dieses Bleistiftes noch nicht unbedingt üblich ausgewachsene Bäume zu nutzen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eventuell soll das &#8222;Matured&#8221; speziell darauf hinweisen, das eben &#8222;matured wood&#8221; verarbeitet wurde, und nicht &#8222;scrap wood&#8221;, &#8222;waste wood&#8221;, &#8222;juvenile wood&#8221; oder Zaunslatten.  :-)<br />
Wahrscheinlich war es früher bei Erstherstellung dieses Bleistiftes noch nicht unbedingt üblich ausgewachsene Bäume zu nutzen.</p>
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