26 Kommentare zu „Sonntag“

  1. CDT’s pen­cils are amongst the best I’ve ever used. It was ine­vi­ta­ble they would be dis­con­ti­nued just after I dis­co­ve­red them.

  2. I have two boxes of these that I got from pencils.jp. They are my favou­rite pen­cils, the mint colour is beau­ti­ful and the coa­ting feels very high qua­lity, and they write super­bly well of course.

  3. Koralatov: Last year a retailer in Japan told me that the item 17 was dis­con­ti­nued. I had no rea­son to doubt that – it came from a reli­able source and it was plau­si­ble since the Black Poly­mer 999 was dis­con­ti­nued too; both pen­cils were made by Pen­tel and had poly­mer leads. Howe­ver, after fin­ding the item 17 at Vet­ted I was curious and have asked Vet­ted and CDT, and both have con­fir­med that this pen­cil has not been discontinued.

    Mat­thew: The item 17 is hard to beat, and if one only needs HB and doesn’t refrain to order them by mail it’s an excel­lent (if not the best) choice. The folks at CDT have taken care of even the smal­lest detail and have crea­ted an out­stan­ding product.

  4. I didn’t know this one also had the poly­mer lead; no won­der it’s so nice. When Bun­doki lis­ted this pen­cil as dis­con­ti­nued, I was hoping that CDT would just find ano­t­her manu­fac­tu­rer. Funny that Pen­tel still makes them, but doesn’t make their own wood-cased poly­mers anymore.

    I’m half-and-half on the color, but you’re right about the detailing!

  5. Sta­tio­nery Traf­fic: Yes, they are really beau­ti­ful and I like their colour too.

    Sean: While the package of the Black Poly­mer 999 says that the lead is polymer-bound the one of the item 17 does not. Howe­ver, I was told that it has a simi­lar lead, and since the leads are almost iden­ti­cal in terms of smooth­ness, black­ness, erasa­bi­lity and strength I am sure that this is cor­rect. – As far as I know Pen­tel doesn’t have their own wood­case pen­cil manu­fac­tu­ring so I assume that CDT get the pen­cils from the same OEM (of course this doesn’t exp­lain why Pen­tel is named on the package of the item 17). – The colour is unusual, and at first I was a little reser­ved. I assume that fin­ding a new bar­rel colour for a pen­cil is quite dif­fi­cult – many colours and their com­bi­na­ti­ons are already asso­cia­ted with cer­tain brands, and a lot of the remai­ning colours will make a pen­cil look chil­dish. To me, the light green CDT has sett­led upon is an excel­lent choice – it is new and looks se­rious. Now and then I think about making a photo of the item 17 bes­i­des a glass of green tea ;-) – Regar­ding the details: In view of the per­fec­tio­n­ism it is quite funny that the package of the item 17 says „item 018“; I would not have expec­ted such an error to slip through.

  6. The pen­cil looks beau­ti­ful in this pic­ture, the nice long point suits it very well.

    I have a ques­tion for those of you that have tried and thought well about Item 17: when did you purchase this pencil? 

    Pen­cil­talk has publis­hed a posi­tive review on Item 17 in 2008, then in mid 2010 com­men­ter Robert repor­ted pro­blem with the lac­quer coa­ting. I refrai­ned from purcha­sing this pen­cil after see­ing the pic­ture Robert uploa­ded. I won­der if he encoun­te­red a bad batch or the qua­lity of this pro­duct has decli­ned, maybe by chan­ging suppliers…

  7. Claire, I have just fished out my three remai­ning boxes I have purcha­sed last year (if I remem­ber cor­rectly). Since I haven’t heard about the pro­blem Robert has told about (let alone expe­ri­en­ced them) I had no rea­son to inspect my stock clo­ser – until today. Much to my sur­prise (and dis­may) I found faulty pen­cils among all three dozens :-( In total four have lac­quer defects and one is war­ped. The pen­cils in the box with the most defects have the relief embos­sing „5J“ (like Robert’s) and the box has „51050018“ on the inside of the ope­ning flap; the other faulty pen­cils are mar­ked with „5K“ and „51150038“. – For­tu­n­a­tely even the worst defects aren’t as severe as the ones Robert has shown, and some are quite dif­fi­cult to spot; howe­ver, it is a disap­point­ment. So far I have been spoilt by Japa­nese qua­lity so it has never occu­red to me to inspect the pen­cils thor­oughly and look for such flaws …

    It’s a pity but I have to take back my unre­ser­ved recom­men­da­tion (and I will be much more cau­tious with my recom­men­da­ti­ons in the future).

  8. My last batch were bought in April of last year, and the few I’ve used since then had no issues. I don’t have them to hand at the moment, but will dig out the boxes when I get a chance and inspect them properly.

  9. PS to Gun­ther: Fin­ding out that they’re not dis­con­ti­nued is great news, but slightly damp­ened by the pos­si­ble qua­lity issues in the newer bat­ches. What a shame.

  10. Koralatov, I would be happy to hear about the result of your inspec­tion. If pos­si­ble, please let me also know about the relief embos­sing (it is about 15mm left from the „MADE IN JAPAN“ prin­ting) and the code on the inside of the box‘ ope­ning flap. – Yes, a dis­co­very like this does indeed cast a cloud over these other­wise good news.

  11. I have con­ta­c­ted Craft Design Tech­no­logy since I was a little con­cer­ned about these qua­lity prob­lems with an other­wise excel­lent and uni­que pen­cil. Much to my plea­sure I got a detailed and help­ful reply wit­hin less than 24 hours.

    They told me that the lac­quer defects are cau­sed by the imp­reg­na­ting oil com­ing out (this oil is used to improve the wood’s cut­ting abi­lity; it’s a com­mon prac­tice). This can hap­pen under cer­tain am­bient con­di­ti­ons but – as far as I under­stand it – only in a cer­tain period in time after manufac­turing. So, if a pen­cil does not show these dis­co­lou­ra­ti­ons yet it won’t shown them in the future eit­her. CDT also told me that they will inves­ti­gate even fur­ther and will hap­pily replace the affec­ted pencils.

    Since I have order some more of the item 17 at Vet­ted I have told them about this pro­blem too. They have replied very quickly too and told me that they haven’t heard of that pro­blem but will also replace defec­tive pencils.

    I am very satis­fied with the cus­to­mer sup­port of both!

  12. Thanks for the inves­ti­ga­tion, Gun­ther. I’m glad and impres­sed that CDT has in fact loo­ked into the pro­blem and knows what cau­sed it.

    Also thanks ever­yone that got back to me about their purchases.

  13. Thank you, Claire, for brin­ging this pro­blem to my atten­tion and for pro­vo­king the dis­cus­sion about it – most likely I had never inspec­ted my stock of the item 17 so clo­sely without it.

    I am impres­sed by CDT’s quick reply and open­ness. There are quite a few com­pa­nies that could learn a thing or two from them!

  14. Today I have recei­ved a few dozens of the item 17 I have orde­red at Vet­ted, and much to my sur­prise there are some pen­cils with blot­chy finish in every box (click image to enlarge). – For the record: The two boxes from which these sam­ples were taken from had „51050018“ on their open­ing flap, and the pen­cils were mar­ked with „5J“.

    Craft Design Technology item 17 lacquer defects

    I don’t know if these pen­cils are old(er) stock or the pro­blem with the imp­reg­na­ting oil com­ing out per­sists; I will return them and won’t have ano­t­her go with the item 17. On that occa­sion: My thanks to Vet­ted who have pro­mi­sed a smooth can­cel­la­tion of my order. – I won­der why the ex­cellent lead of this pen­cil isn’t avail­able sepa­r­ately for leadholders.

  15. What a shame! It takes more than coin­ci­dent to get two orders of faulty pencils :(
    Any guess who’s the manu­fac­tu­rer of the lead? Mitsu­bi­shi maybe?

  16. It’s strange. On one hand I am all too fami­liar with per­sis­ting qua­lity pro­blems but on the other hand I can’t believe that this hap­pens at Pen­tel of all com­pa­nies. Howe­ver, on the box it reads „Pen­tel Japan“ but I have lear­ned that Pen­tel don’t have their own wood­case pen­cil pro­duc­tion but get these pen­cils from an OEM (just like the dis­con­ti­nued Black Poly­mer 999 which had poly­mer leads too). – If I learn more I will add it here.

  17. See­ing your update reminds me that I need to dig out my CDTs and check them. I’ll try to do it this weekend.

  18. Good luck! I hope you won’t find faulty items (pun iten­ded). – In case you find defects: May I ask you to tell us about the num­ber on the ope­ning flap and the embos­sed code on the pencils?

  19. I finally got around to che­cking my CDT pen­cils.  Of the 42 I still have, none dis­play any of the issues yours have mani­fes­ted.  All were bought from Pencils.jp.

    I have two dozen from batch 51150037, mar­ked 5J, and ano­t­her dozen from the same batch mar­ked 5K.  These three dozen were bought in 2011.

    The final six are batch 51150038, mar­ked 5K.  They were bought in 2010.

  20. You’re lucky! Thank you for sharing your results. It looks like there is no simple con­nec­tion bet­ween the mar­kings and the defects which makes avoiding the pro­blem quite difficult.

  21. I am no lon­ger sure about CDT’s explana­tion of the pro­blem. Cedar con­tains ter­pe­nes, and these com­pounds migrate, some­ti­mes causing yel­low dis­co­lou­ra­ti­ons on the pencil’s sur­face. In most cases the lac­quer is desi­gned to pre­vent these effects but they can appear nevertheless. Heat sup­ports the migra­tion so sto­rage con­di­ti­ons can be important too. I wouldn’t be sur­pri­sed if this pro­perty of Cedar was the real cause. – I don’t mean to ques­tion CDT’s inte­grity; maybe they just weren’t given all the details by the manufacturer.

  22. Wow, I mis­sed this thread by quite a few mon­ths. Thanks Gun­ther and ever­yone else for adding so much to the dis­cus­sion (which I thought died out a year or two ago).

    I haven’t purcha­sed any more CDT pen­cils in quite some time (over a year), and thus can’t say much more about the issues I ran into with them. They write just fine even if some are cos­me­ti­cally imper­fect. Of course, they ought to be pretty per­fect for the price.

    I am happy that the pro­duct has not been dis­con­ti­nued, though I hope they can sort the blot­ching thing out.

  23. Thank you, Robert M., for making us aware of the pro­blem back then. If I had not read about it I would have thought that I am the only one with this pro­blem and hadn’t loo­ked fur­ther. – I am still not sure about the rea­son but I was told that the pro­blem is now solved.

    By the way, I have asked CDT if they plan to make the leads avail­able sepa­r­ately for lead­hol­ders or even plan to add a lead­hol­der to their pro­duct range. They have replied quickly, and I had the impres­sion that they are very open to cus­to­mer suggestions.

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